No Room for Argument

No Room for Argument

No Room for Argument

ASIN: B00004XN00

Editorial Reviews
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Because the brilliant trumpeter Wallace Roney emerged on the jazz scene at the same time as Wynton Marsalis, it took a little while for his star to shine (and not be in Marsalis's shadow). Roney recorded for Muse and Warner Bros., and with No Room for Argument, he's found a new home on Chick Corea's Stretch label. He's backed by a first-rate ensemble that includes his wife, keyboardist Geri Allen, his brother Antoine on saxophones and bass clarinet, and several Miles Davis alumni: bassist Buster Williams, drummer Lenny White, and synthesizer wizard Adam Holzman. With his piercing Milesian Harmon mute and full-bodied open horn at the helm, Roney delivers 10 tracks that blend 1970s-style fusion with cutting-edge technology and good old-fashioned bebop licks, with samples of speeches by Martin Luther King, Gandhi, and Malcolm X sprinkled on most of the tracks. From the martial title cut and Prince riffs to the brilliant blending of John Coltrane and Miles on "Homage & Acknowledgement (Love Supreme/Filles De Kilimanjaro)," Wallace Roney sets his sights high and ascends. --Eugene Holley Jr.

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No Room for Argument
Average customer rating: 4 out of 5 stars
  • Good musicianship, highly derivative
  • No Room for Imitations
  • Mr. Roney goes "Out there"!
  • Great CD!
  • "spiritual high - pure talent"
 No Room for Argument
Wallace Roney
Manufacturer: Stretch Records
ProductGroup: Music
Binding: Audio CD

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ASIN: B00004XN00
Release Date: 2000-10-17

Tracks:

  1. No Room For Argument
  2. Homage & Acknowledgement (Love Supreme/Filles De Kilimanjaro)
  3. Straight No Nothing
  4. Metropolis
  5. Christina
  6. NeuBeings
  7. Cygroove
  8. He Who Knows
  9. Virtual Chocolate Cherry
  10. Midnight Blue

Amazon.com

Because the brilliant trumpeter Wallace Roney emerged on the jazz scene at the same time as Wynton Marsalis, it took a little while for his star to shine (and not be in Marsalis's shadow). Roney recorded for Muse and Warner Bros., and with No Room for Argument, he's found a new home on Chick Corea's Stretch label. He's backed by a first-rate ensemble that includes his wife, keyboardist Geri Allen, his brother Antoine on saxophones and bass clarinet, and several Miles Davis alumni: bassist Buster Williams, drummer Lenny White, and synthesizer wizard Adam Holzman. With his piercing Milesian Harmon mute and full-bodied open horn at the helm, Roney delivers 10 tracks that blend 1970s-style fusion with cutting-edge technology and good old-fashioned bebop licks, with samples of speeches by Martin Luther King, Gandhi, and Malcolm X sprinkled on most of the tracks. From the martial title cut and Prince riffs to the brilliant blending of John Coltrane and Miles on "Homage & Acknowledgement (Love Supreme/Filles De Kilimanjaro)," Wallace Roney sets his sights high and ascends. --Eugene Holley Jr.

Customer Reviews:

3 out of 5 stars Good musicianship, highly derivative.......2005-07-13

I agree with the previous review. Roney tries just too hard to sound like Miles, though I don't know about him sitting in his room with Miles posters etc. etc. I noticed the same problem with Cindy Blackman, her albums sound just too much at times like Miles' mid-60's quintet. Actually a lot of musicians copy it; Wynton copied it too, when he was starting out, oddly enough trashing Miles in the press all the time. That was before he started playing Dixieland.

Anyway, this is a pretty good album, but I've heard many of these musicians on other albums and know they're capable of more when pushed to really produce. Here, they have a mission to sound like Miles' groups, and they do a good job of it, but I don't think it's worth a purchase unless you're a diehard Roney fan and want to hear him in this context.

2 out of 5 stars No Room for Imitations.......2002-12-10

This CD asks the musical question, "What's the difference between homage and ripoff"? If you're Wallace Roney, the answer is--not much. This disc would more appropriately have been entitled, "I wish I were Miles Davis". I can just picture a young Roney practicing his horn surrounded by Miles posters and paraphenalia perfecting his imitative technique.There's nothing on this disc that you can't find, done much better, by Miles in any of his electric sessions. Granted, I don't write jazz reviews for the New York Times, but I am a serious collector and listener of jazz music and to my ear, there is nothing new here. I defy the average jazz fan to find a unique voice here.The technique is excellent to be sure, and the imitation is spot on, but if you want Champaign, why drink sparkling cider? Spend your CD dollar wisely, go to the Miles Davis section, and avoid [poor] imitations.

5 out of 5 stars Mr. Roney goes "Out there"!.......2001-08-13

With this release, Wallace seperates himself further from his contemporary trumpeters. "No Room for Argument" is an excellent, multi-faceted, gem. The added layers of sound and voice float in and out of the slightly subdued (except track 9), instrumental virtuosity. It all blends into a very modern sound. As a Trumpeter/leader/composer, Mr. Roney is definitely headed "Out there"! Long live the Committee.

5 out of 5 stars Great CD!.......2000-12-21

This is the best CD I purchased this year! He is taking a strecth using the electrical stuff... but I actually like it! I would recommend this to anyone seeking to hear new jazz music (not repackaged CD of stuff you already have in your collection)and good acid jazz/alternative music as well. This is good stuff.

4 out of 5 stars "spiritual high - pure talent".......2000-11-03

Stretch Records presents a cast of modern jazz stalwarts - Steven Hall (tenor & soprano sax & bass clarinet), Antoine Roney (tenor & soprano sax & bass clarinet), Geri Allen (piano, Fender Rhodes electric piano. synthesizer), Adam Holzman (Wurlitzer electric piano, organ, mini-moog, synthesizers), Buster Williams (bass), Lenny White (drums), Val "Gelder" Jeanty (samples & electronica) - join Wallace Roney in a recording that leaves "No Room For Argument". It's simply one of his most creative and mesmerizing outings to date.

Wallace Roney merges modern, creative jazz improvisation with infectious, relentless grooves, peppered with almost subliminal yet highly-charged samples and electronica...always on the cutting edge.

Herbie Hancock once said - "I think music is supposed to make you high, give you an experience so that you can transport yourself from wherever you are, more conscious of you inner consciousness"...and Satchmo was quoted - "I'm not doing anything, it doesn't need an explanation. I'm reacting to what's been done and what's supposed to be happening today, everything you've ever heard, all that is condensed, we play body "Body and Soul" in two bars, I wanted to play songs that have a definite beginning and an ending".

Well, this CD is that, and then some...might not be your cup of tea, but try some...you may just like it!

Total Time: 71:42 on 10 Tracks...Stretch Records 9033...(2000)
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    Wallace Roney
    Manufacturer: Universal/Polygram
    ProductGroup: Music
    Binding: Audio CD

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    ASIN: B00005HO3G
    Release Date: 2000-10-25

    Tracks:

    1. No Room For Argument
    2. Homage & Acknowledgement
    3. Straight Or Nothing
    4. Metropolis
    5. Christina
    6. New Being
    7. Psygroove
    8. He Who Knows
    9. Dmsr
    10. Midnight Blue
    11. Portia

    Album Details

    Japanese Version featuring a Bonus Track

    Jazz Music:

    1. NY LA
    2. On the Sunny Side of the Street
    3. One, Two, Three & BJ4: The Legendary Albums [Import]
    4. Pithecanthropus Erectus [Limited Edition] [Import]
    5. Pow!/Big Band Spirituals
    6. Putting It Together [Import] [Original recording remastered]
    7. "REMOTE CONTROL"
    8. Rides Again
    9. Rose Colored Glasses
    10. Seven Boats, Music for Two Guitar

    Jazz Music

    Jazz Music